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Nathan Miodrass Asillion » Tue Nov 27, 2012 10:41 pm
Nathan shrugged. "Go ahead."
He cast a sidelong glance at Trigiel.
"I never really thought about it, but I suppose your right. I don't really see the benefit of rearranging my organic parts."
He cast a sidelong glance at Trigiel.
"I never really thought about it, but I suppose your right. I don't really see the benefit of rearranging my organic parts."
Fecta Trigiel » Wed Nov 28, 2012 1:33 pm
"The advantages are clear," Trigiel said, "it costs less energy to sustain the organics, and it is better protected. For example, when I get decapitated, I only need to adjust to my back-up sensors but will be able to continue. During our competition I realised that when you get decapitated, you are probably dead."
Trigiel took a look at Nathan his body: "My people have identified that in most combat, the head is a vulnerable part, while the upper body most of the time is left alone. This because of the ribcage most species have. When people are getting into a fight with high grade fecta, they have shown troubles adjusting to the situation in many occasions.
Your brain is still in your head right? With you I assume, an opponent can do nothing against your iron body, bud your head remains a target, especially the neck. With me they have to fight through a 1 cm durasteel casing before the get to the life support system, and then it will be hard to get through the life support cage with your bare hands."
Trigiel took a look at Nathan his body: "My people have identified that in most combat, the head is a vulnerable part, while the upper body most of the time is left alone. This because of the ribcage most species have. When people are getting into a fight with high grade fecta, they have shown troubles adjusting to the situation in many occasions.
Your brain is still in your head right? With you I assume, an opponent can do nothing against your iron body, bud your head remains a target, especially the neck. With me they have to fight through a 1 cm durasteel casing before the get to the life support system, and then it will be hard to get through the life support cage with your bare hands."
Nathan Miodrass Asillion » Wed Nov 28, 2012 3:03 pm
"I don't see how rearranging organs conserves energy." Nathan replied. "And my head and neck are better protected than you might think.
First off, standard procedure in most militaries is to aim for the centre of gravity, not the head." He looked at Trigiel.
"Second, my neck is not only protected by my spine, as it the case with non-cyborgs and lastly my head has a triple layer of black diamond-titanium armour, plus a reactive reinforcement system. My head can take 50 tonnes of continues pressure and over 200 tonnes of momentary pressure."
Nathan looked at his hand.
"Astrians aren't stupid, just because we keep using an old design doesn't mean we don't improve it."
Then he noticed something odd.
"Wait you said your a fecta right? I thought you were a teprogrena."
First off, standard procedure in most militaries is to aim for the centre of gravity, not the head." He looked at Trigiel.
"Second, my neck is not only protected by my spine, as it the case with non-cyborgs and lastly my head has a triple layer of black diamond-titanium armour, plus a reactive reinforcement system. My head can take 50 tonnes of continues pressure and over 200 tonnes of momentary pressure."
Nathan looked at his hand.
"Astrians aren't stupid, just because we keep using an old design doesn't mean we don't improve it."
Then he noticed something odd.
"Wait you said your a fecta right? I thought you were a teprogrena."
Fecta Trigiel » Sat Dec 01, 2012 3:26 pm
"Yes that is correct, and correct. I am a teprogrenus, and I am a fecta. In the Teprogrenaian culture, fecta means, roughly translated, 'self sustaining'. While danar means something like 'developed nature.' "
Trigiel was sitting a bit more comfortable while he was going to explain a bit about his culture.
"The Teprogrenaian Consensus is populated with teprogrena. There are two kind of teprogrena, danar and fecta. Danar are the normal biological species. But as we use cybernetics as our main use in the medical healthcare, people become more and more cyborgs over time. When a danar reach the cyborg level that he or she can survive outside the natural environment for a period of time, it becomes a fecta. When I was born, I was a danar. After an accident where I lost most of my original body I became a fecta."
Trigiel paused a moment to see if Nathan understand, the teprogrenus believed Nathan did so he continued: "As being a cyborg does have its cultural impact, we call each other by the natural state: danar or fecta. That is why I am called Fecta Trigiel, while our senator and our head of economy are respectively called Danar Tassar and Danar Torig. If for some reason they will get life support cybernetics, they will be called Fecta Tassar and Fecta Torig."
Trigiel was sitting a bit more comfortable while he was going to explain a bit about his culture.
"The Teprogrenaian Consensus is populated with teprogrena. There are two kind of teprogrena, danar and fecta. Danar are the normal biological species. But as we use cybernetics as our main use in the medical healthcare, people become more and more cyborgs over time. When a danar reach the cyborg level that he or she can survive outside the natural environment for a period of time, it becomes a fecta. When I was born, I was a danar. After an accident where I lost most of my original body I became a fecta."
Trigiel paused a moment to see if Nathan understand, the teprogrenus believed Nathan did so he continued: "As being a cyborg does have its cultural impact, we call each other by the natural state: danar or fecta. That is why I am called Fecta Trigiel, while our senator and our head of economy are respectively called Danar Tassar and Danar Torig. If for some reason they will get life support cybernetics, they will be called Fecta Tassar and Fecta Torig."
Nathan Miodrass Asillion » Sat Dec 01, 2012 4:24 pm
"Interesting, so there still are non-cyborgs in your species?" Nathan asked.
"All Astrians are cyborgs, but some have more extensive modifications than others. I, for example, am classified as a full cyborg. Only a few internal organs and my brain aren't cybernetic. But others are almost completely natural. Never the less our society is completely optimized for cyborgs.
The first thing that stood out for me when I first came to Unity was the incredible amount of noise. Back home all communication is digital, that makes everything very quiet. In fact Astrians that go off world need a vocal implant or travel with someone with a vocal implant or they wouldn't be able to communicate with non-Astrians."
"All Astrians are cyborgs, but some have more extensive modifications than others. I, for example, am classified as a full cyborg. Only a few internal organs and my brain aren't cybernetic. But others are almost completely natural. Never the less our society is completely optimized for cyborgs.
The first thing that stood out for me when I first came to Unity was the incredible amount of noise. Back home all communication is digital, that makes everything very quiet. In fact Astrians that go off world need a vocal implant or travel with someone with a vocal implant or they wouldn't be able to communicate with non-Astrians."
Fecta Trigiel » Tue Dec 04, 2012 1:09 pm
"Yes, over half our population is still considered self-sustaining. You seemed surprise to hear this.
We try to be very careful with cybernetics, to prevent dependence on the technologies. Basically every new born child should be able to live its life without cybernetic implants. That's why our cyborgs are more adjusted to fit the society than vice versa, although the is a steady growth of supporting special cyborg platforms.
The thing what stood out for me was the hostility of the city. On Dhiahamara teprogrena are very nice and cooperative towards each other, but here in Unity City there is this 'you are on your own' mentality.
Are there so many Astrians who lost their mouth to cybernetics? Or do Astrians never learn to actually speak?"
We try to be very careful with cybernetics, to prevent dependence on the technologies. Basically every new born child should be able to live its life without cybernetic implants. That's why our cyborgs are more adjusted to fit the society than vice versa, although the is a steady growth of supporting special cyborg platforms.
The thing what stood out for me was the hostility of the city. On Dhiahamara teprogrena are very nice and cooperative towards each other, but here in Unity City there is this 'you are on your own' mentality.
Are there so many Astrians who lost their mouth to cybernetics? Or do Astrians never learn to actually speak?"
Nathan Miodrass Asillion » Tue Dec 04, 2012 6:34 pm
"I am a bit surprised, yes. As I said every Astrian is a cyborg, even children.
Without cybernetics it's nearly impossible for us to survive. That we adapt our society to this is only natural.
Our vocal cords are barely used if used at all, they don't develop enough to be used."
Without cybernetics it's nearly impossible for us to survive. That we adapt our society to this is only natural.
Our vocal cords are barely used if used at all, they don't develop enough to be used."
Fecta Trigiel » Mon Dec 10, 2012 2:32 pm
"That sounds sad, that even your new born children cannot survive without the technology. We try to keep a keen eye on such genetic breakdowns to prevent total dependence from happening.
But when all your people are cyborg, then you must have special platforms as well. Just like we have Guardian and Colosus platforms."
But when all your people are cyborg, then you must have special platforms as well. Just like we have Guardian and Colosus platforms."
Nathan Miodrass Asillion » Mon Dec 10, 2012 6:04 pm
Nathan quickly looked up the things Trigiel mentioned.
"Well, we don't really have something that specific. Full cyborgs with non-standard bodies all had them custom made."
Nathan paused as he thought of something.
"I think the closest to these Colosus and Guardian platforms we have are the Travellers. They have their brain linked to a spaceship.
But we also have a system called Direct Cortical Link Interface, or DCLI, a temporary link between the brain and machinery, most often vehicles. It allows us to control them with our mind."
"Well, we don't really have something that specific. Full cyborgs with non-standard bodies all had them custom made."
Nathan paused as he thought of something.
"I think the closest to these Colosus and Guardian platforms we have are the Travellers. They have their brain linked to a spaceship.
But we also have a system called Direct Cortical Link Interface, or DCLI, a temporary link between the brain and machinery, most often vehicles. It allows us to control them with our mind."
Fecta Trigiel » Fri Dec 14, 2012 3:00 am
"Still, I can imagine soldiers of your people would prefer to keep their head safe. A triple layer of black diamond-titanium armour might be protective in melee combat, but it would do no good against blasters. Snipers and saber attacks are often in the head, you peak with your head and the head is rather vulnerable to shrapnel, although the armour solves the latest issue for a great part."
Nathan Miodrass Asillion » Fri Dec 14, 2012 3:10 pm
Nathan was a bit confused. Trigiel seemed compelled to point out what he thought were flaws in his body.
Like the other cyborg tried to dictate how he should be. Something Astrians didn't like in general.
"Ok, I'll admit. Your head is less vulnerable than mine. But I'dd like to point out that sabre attacks and sniper attacks are just as often aimed at the torso and that a centimetre of durasteel doesn't offer any protection to lightsabers either, nor does it to any decent sniper rifle."
Nathan said calmly and sighed.
"It's just our way of doing things. Neither the Marines, the Navy, nor anyone else is going to dictate how the Astrians or anyone else in the STF should be like."
His voice became darker.
"And if they do, you can expect the full might of the Stellarian Triad Federation Joint Naval Forces to rain down upon them."
Like the other cyborg tried to dictate how he should be. Something Astrians didn't like in general.
"Ok, I'll admit. Your head is less vulnerable than mine. But I'dd like to point out that sabre attacks and sniper attacks are just as often aimed at the torso and that a centimetre of durasteel doesn't offer any protection to lightsabers either, nor does it to any decent sniper rifle."
Nathan said calmly and sighed.
"It's just our way of doing things. Neither the Marines, the Navy, nor anyone else is going to dictate how the Astrians or anyone else in the STF should be like."
His voice became darker.
"And if they do, you can expect the full might of the Stellarian Triad Federation Joint Naval Forces to rain down upon them."
Fecta Trigiel » Wed Dec 19, 2012 5:33 pm
"I really should visit the STF once. The variety of cyborgs must be amazing."
The headlight of of Trigiel turned light green over the time. while they were talking.
"It sounds that your people are really standing up for each other, I like that. It reminds me of my own people. Teprogrena have this 'all for one and one for all' mentality as well."
The headlight of of Trigiel turned light green over the time. while they were talking.
"It sounds that your people are really standing up for each other, I like that. It reminds me of my own people. Teprogrena have this 'all for one and one for all' mentality as well."
Nathan Miodrass Asillion » Wed Dec 19, 2012 6:09 pm
"Well, yes we do. We value the freedom of others as well as our own."
Nathan said, nodding at his own words.
"Changing parts is very easy for Astrians as all connections are universal. I can switch out my arm without any trouble.
Do the Teprogrena have anything like that?"
Nathan said, nodding at his own words.
"Changing parts is very easy for Astrians as all connections are universal. I can switch out my arm without any trouble.
Do the Teprogrena have anything like that?"
Fecta Trigiel » Mon Dec 24, 2012 1:48 pm
"We do not have interchangeable parts, as every model is custom made as well, and our limbs are not connected at one point, but are a combination of several joints separated over the length of the body."
Trigiel stretched his arm so Nathan could see it. Trigiel removed the flexible cover revealing multiple small pistons which were attached from several joints at the arm to several points at the shoulder.
"We do use similar parts and basic constructions and every model has the same basic construction. So I cannot switch my arm for another one, but I can repair my arm relative easily anywhere in the galaxy, or create a new one."
Trigiel stretched his arm so Nathan could see it. Trigiel removed the flexible cover revealing multiple small pistons which were attached from several joints at the arm to several points at the shoulder.
"We do use similar parts and basic constructions and every model has the same basic construction. So I cannot switch my arm for another one, but I can repair my arm relative easily anywhere in the galaxy, or create a new one."
Nathan Miodrass Asillion » Sun Dec 30, 2012 6:10 pm
Nathan looked at Trigiel's exposed shoulder.
"Well most Astrians don't use custom parts, most of my body is stock. I don't have the technical know how to repair major damage, but switching out a broken limb is easy."
A few metallic clicks could be heard coming from Nathan's left shoulder. With his right hand he opened up a small plate on the shoulder. Reaching in with two fingers another click was heard, followed by a low buzz. Nathan grabbed his left arm, a moment later the buzz stopped.
With the sound of a heavy locking bolt unlocking, the arm went limp. Nathan then proceeded to remove the arm, revealing a smooth plate with a raised edge.
On top of the plate where seven cube-shaped blocks and there was a single large round hole in the middle.
Where the arm had been connected to the body was an exact mirror image of the plate.
"See removal is easy." Nathan said, showing the connection to the other cyborg.
Nathan put his arm back where it belonged. After a quick diagnostic where every muscle in his arm moved he continued.
"But I find it a little strange you use pistons for movement. Why is that?"
"Well most Astrians don't use custom parts, most of my body is stock. I don't have the technical know how to repair major damage, but switching out a broken limb is easy."
A few metallic clicks could be heard coming from Nathan's left shoulder. With his right hand he opened up a small plate on the shoulder. Reaching in with two fingers another click was heard, followed by a low buzz. Nathan grabbed his left arm, a moment later the buzz stopped.
With the sound of a heavy locking bolt unlocking, the arm went limp. Nathan then proceeded to remove the arm, revealing a smooth plate with a raised edge.
On top of the plate where seven cube-shaped blocks and there was a single large round hole in the middle.
Where the arm had been connected to the body was an exact mirror image of the plate.
"See removal is easy." Nathan said, showing the connection to the other cyborg.
Nathan put his arm back where it belonged. After a quick diagnostic where every muscle in his arm moved he continued.
"But I find it a little strange you use pistons for movement. Why is that?"
Fecta Trigiel » Fri Jan 04, 2013 11:26 pm
Trigiel took a good look at the arm, a question rose, but then Nathan already asked him something so Trigiel stored the question for a moment.
"It is to remove single point of failures," Trigiel explained, "when we, fecta, get roughen up in combat, we like to reduce the chance of total failure. When some pistons break, we can still use the others. Also when to much pressure is put in the body, the person gets feedback as some parts shows failure signs, instead of when the entire junction suddenly malfunctions.
Another reason is because pistons simulates natural muscles more accurately. It is easier to adapt to the cybernetic body for us this way, and the body can better achieve the natural functionalities and flexibilities.
How much of you is actually organic? You said to be full cyborg, but how much does that mean?"
"It is to remove single point of failures," Trigiel explained, "when we, fecta, get roughen up in combat, we like to reduce the chance of total failure. When some pistons break, we can still use the others. Also when to much pressure is put in the body, the person gets feedback as some parts shows failure signs, instead of when the entire junction suddenly malfunctions.
Another reason is because pistons simulates natural muscles more accurately. It is easier to adapt to the cybernetic body for us this way, and the body can better achieve the natural functionalities and flexibilities.
How much of you is actually organic? You said to be full cyborg, but how much does that mean?"
Nathan Miodrass Asillion » Sun Jan 06, 2013 1:27 pm
"Correct, a full cyborg has at least 60% of his or her body replaced by cybernetics.
I have little more than my brain and parts of my digestive system that are still organic."
There was one part Nathan still didn't understand.
"But wouldn't regular synthetic muscles be better for that job than pistons? They use less power and no intricate moving parts so they require less maintenance. Also potential strength is roughly the same."
I have little more than my brain and parts of my digestive system that are still organic."
There was one part Nathan still didn't understand.
"But wouldn't regular synthetic muscles be better for that job than pistons? They use less power and no intricate moving parts so they require less maintenance. Also potential strength is roughly the same."
Fecta Trigiel » Sat Jan 12, 2013 11:50 pm
"Muscles lack the flexibility changeable cyborgs have. Also, in the long past, we, teprogrena, have developed cybernetic medical treatment quicker than biological and bacta treatment, and we have more or less kept cyborgs over bacta since ever then. Also with modern tech batteries is power consumption only a small issue.
Another important issue is that synthetic muscles are a lot more expensive and lot harder to come by than pistons and other basic components. When I am on a mission, I like to be able to be repaired even in small alleys of an abandoned village in the middle of a dessert.
I know, an unlikely scenario but you know what I mean." He added.
Another important issue is that synthetic muscles are a lot more expensive and lot harder to come by than pistons and other basic components. When I am on a mission, I like to be able to be repaired even in small alleys of an abandoned village in the middle of a dessert.
I know, an unlikely scenario but you know what I mean." He added.
Nathan Miodrass Asillion » Wed Jan 16, 2013 11:09 pm
"I suppose both have their pros and cons."
Nathan looked at some birds flying around.
"When cybernetics where introduced they quickly took over other medical treatment in the STF. We ran into the limitations of biological treatment when development started and bacta didn't exist.
We definitely needed cybernetics at that time. Three years after the introduction, for the first time in two hundred years, the population didn't drop.
You can see how that change was important, for had it continued Astrians would probably be on the edge of extinction."
Nathan looked at some birds flying around.
"When cybernetics where introduced they quickly took over other medical treatment in the STF. We ran into the limitations of biological treatment when development started and bacta didn't exist.
We definitely needed cybernetics at that time. Three years after the introduction, for the first time in two hundred years, the population didn't drop.
You can see how that change was important, for had it continued Astrians would probably be on the edge of extinction."
Fecta Trigiel » Tue Jan 22, 2013 9:44 pm
"Bacta didn't exist? Oh wait you mean you hadn't access to bacta yet, I understand." Trigiel forgot that the STF was a very young faction and that a century or two they didn't had many connections or access to the outside galaxy.
"But your population was dropping? That sounds bad, why was that? I mean, the Consensus uses cybernetics as a luxury in medical appliances, but we try to keep a keen eye on genetic deterioration. What happened that your people were so dependent on cybernetics?"
"But your population was dropping? That sounds bad, why was that? I mean, the Consensus uses cybernetics as a luxury in medical appliances, but we try to keep a keen eye on genetic deterioration. What happened that your people were so dependent on cybernetics?"
Nathan Miodrass Asillion » Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:43 pm
"The Cataclysm of Partesia happened. No one knows what it was exactly, but it turned the Partesia mountain range into one giant crater and wiped out half the life on the planet."
Nathan remembered what they had been taught in history class when he was still in school well.
"The damage to the atmosphere combined with the relentless summer on Stellaria caused the death rate to outpace the birthrate. Well at least that's what they taught us in school."
Nathan remembered what they had been taught in history class when he was still in school well.
"The damage to the atmosphere combined with the relentless summer on Stellaria caused the death rate to outpace the birthrate. Well at least that's what they taught us in school."
Fecta Trigiel » Tue Jan 29, 2013 1:44 pm
As always Trigiel was quick in thinking of what he thought was a logical answer: "Sounds like a failed nuclear fusion experiment to me." Then Trigiel thought, the extend of the cataclism. "No wait, life of half your planet? That is way worse than a failed fusion experiment. That disaster sounds terrible, how long ago did it happen?"
Nathan Miodrass Asillion » Tue Jan 29, 2013 6:22 pm
"About three-hundred years. And I'm pretty sure it wasn't nuclear fusion, cause I think it was a few years after the Cataclysm we developed nuclear theory."
Nathan paused a moment.
"I also don't think a failed fusion experiment can turn a mountain range into a crater that's visible from space. I'm no expert but wouldn't that also leave a radiation signature or something?
We where told that the Crater is devoid of any radiation even background radiation.
Besides if it was that simple I think we would have found out after nearly a hundred years of research."
Nathan paused a moment.
"I also don't think a failed fusion experiment can turn a mountain range into a crater that's visible from space. I'm no expert but wouldn't that also leave a radiation signature or something?
We where told that the Crater is devoid of any radiation even background radiation.
Besides if it was that simple I think we would have found out after nearly a hundred years of research."
Fecta Trigiel » Thu Jan 31, 2013 1:32 am
"As far I know, that depends on the kind of fusion." Trigiel had done his talk, and went to close his small talk with the other cyborg.
"Well it is good that you guys developed a way to survive. And who knows, maybe some people in the Union have the required technology to determine what happened. And else," he jokingly added, "you can always set up a telescope 300 light years away and take a look."
"Well it is good that you guys developed a way to survive. And who knows, maybe some people in the Union have the required technology to determine what happened. And else," he jokingly added, "you can always set up a telescope 300 light years away and take a look."
Nathan Miodrass Asillion » Fri Feb 08, 2013 8:39 pm
Nathan shrugged his shoulders.
"Maybe. I don't really know or care about it anyway. I try not to dwell on the past."
He got up and stretched. Then he turned to face the other cyborg.
"Now, if you'll excuse me. I have a few things I still need to do. It was nice chatting with you."
Nathan made a small bow and then turned and left the Gardens.
"Maybe. I don't really know or care about it anyway. I try not to dwell on the past."
He got up and stretched. Then he turned to face the other cyborg.
"Now, if you'll excuse me. I have a few things I still need to do. It was nice chatting with you."
Nathan made a small bow and then turned and left the Gardens.