[private] Information Joint Venture Summit - Negotiations
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The Lifebringer Clans - Faction
At the mention of backstabbing, the eyes of the Clans' representative widened slightly.
"An interesting notion, lady Rohana, but one we must protest vehemently. The reason we propose equal exchange of zoning rights is precisely because we wish to create a permanent deal. This prevents backstabbing. If all partners exchange a zone, the trade is equal, and no party has any further obligations to keep or renegotiate or hedge with. Our proposal eliminates the possibility of dishonesty.
The trading proposal however, leaves each participant with a dependence on the others' goods. Prices must be set, trading agreements can be altered, etcetera. Surely the lady must agree with us this option allows for more so-called backstabbing..."
"An interesting notion, lady Rohana, but one we must protest vehemently. The reason we propose equal exchange of zoning rights is precisely because we wish to create a permanent deal. This prevents backstabbing. If all partners exchange a zone, the trade is equal, and no party has any further obligations to keep or renegotiate or hedge with. Our proposal eliminates the possibility of dishonesty.
The trading proposal however, leaves each participant with a dependence on the others' goods. Prices must be set, trading agreements can be altered, etcetera. Surely the lady must agree with us this option allows for more so-called backstabbing..."
Lady Khaw suddenly stood up, and spoke in a rather unfriendly tone to the Lifebringer representative: "I am neither your friend nor your mate, and you will not address me as such! You can address me as Lady Khaw, or Lady Khaw Rohanna if you must, but you will not insinuate that I am not a member of the noble families."
As sudden as she stood up her tone changed back to a soft and gentle level, she continued speaking while she stood.
"For the sake of this negotiation, I will not read anything other than feigned familiarity in your statement. I would however like to invite all of the attending parties to visit the Khaw estates as my guests, to strengthen our cultural understanding."
Lady Khaw sat down again.
"Now, on to the matter at hand. I'm afraid my my words have been misunderstood. I wished to express the concept of loss of control. Once zoning rights have been exchanged, both partners do not depend upon each other. Due to this loss of control neither partner can withdraw from the deal if it seems their commercial partnership can not be maintained. I meant the term 'backstabbing' in this context. Once the a party has obtained the requisite zoning rights, they can even go ahead and declare economic war on their partners -- surely that is not what we want."
"I'm afraid that it all comes down to trust in the end. When in a joust, would you trust your lance to your opponent, knowing full well that you can never take it back? In my opinion, blindly giving away one's economic advantages is not a sign of trust, it merely invites the other party to act dishonestly, knowing you can't strike at them."
As sudden as she stood up her tone changed back to a soft and gentle level, she continued speaking while she stood.
"For the sake of this negotiation, I will not read anything other than feigned familiarity in your statement. I would however like to invite all of the attending parties to visit the Khaw estates as my guests, to strengthen our cultural understanding."
Lady Khaw sat down again.
"Now, on to the matter at hand. I'm afraid my my words have been misunderstood. I wished to express the concept of loss of control. Once zoning rights have been exchanged, both partners do not depend upon each other. Due to this loss of control neither partner can withdraw from the deal if it seems their commercial partnership can not be maintained. I meant the term 'backstabbing' in this context. Once the a party has obtained the requisite zoning rights, they can even go ahead and declare economic war on their partners -- surely that is not what we want."
"I'm afraid that it all comes down to trust in the end. When in a joust, would you trust your lance to your opponent, knowing full well that you can never take it back? In my opinion, blindly giving away one's economic advantages is not a sign of trust, it merely invites the other party to act dishonestly, knowing you can't strike at them."
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The Lifebringer Clans - Faction
Animated discussion erupts on the Clans' section of the room. After some moments, the representative rises. He looks directly at the Lady Khaw as he speaks:
"My apologies to the Veolian delegation. The intent was to address the Veolian delegation in respectful terms. The error was a confusion of ordering of names, and the use of titles, on our part. Neither insult nor friendship was implied, and the mistake will not be made again.
It is the Clans' belief that in diplomacy, allowances must be made for differences in custom and tradition. It is... detrimental to discussion... when one seeks out reasons to be insulted.
That said, we are still confused by the arguments of the Veolian delegation. There is no advantage or disadvantage gained by our proposed exchange. Each party effectively doubles the production of three zones. Economic wars can be waged right now, and they can be waged after this proposed exchange, without any difference in the outcome.
In the trading proposal, you would give each party a spear to hold at the others' throat. If two parties find another trading partner, they can switch over their trade to this fourth player, and thus ruin an original participant by rendering the output of three of his zones useless. Thus, withdrawal of trade is an enormous weapon in an economic war.
If the Veolian delegation can explain where in our plan economic advantage is given away or inequality is created, or alternatively, how the trading proposal is safer in this regard, we are willing to reconsider our position."
"My apologies to the Veolian delegation. The intent was to address the Veolian delegation in respectful terms. The error was a confusion of ordering of names, and the use of titles, on our part. Neither insult nor friendship was implied, and the mistake will not be made again.
It is the Clans' belief that in diplomacy, allowances must be made for differences in custom and tradition. It is... detrimental to discussion... when one seeks out reasons to be insulted.
That said, we are still confused by the arguments of the Veolian delegation. There is no advantage or disadvantage gained by our proposed exchange. Each party effectively doubles the production of three zones. Economic wars can be waged right now, and they can be waged after this proposed exchange, without any difference in the outcome.
In the trading proposal, you would give each party a spear to hold at the others' throat. If two parties find another trading partner, they can switch over their trade to this fourth player, and thus ruin an original participant by rendering the output of three of his zones useless. Thus, withdrawal of trade is an enormous weapon in an economic war.
If the Veolian delegation can explain where in our plan economic advantage is given away or inequality is created, or alternatively, how the trading proposal is safer in this regard, we are willing to reconsider our position."
"I might be able to explain this better with a hypothetical scenario. Let's say that zoning rights have been exchanged between the Lifebringer Clans, the Veolian Commonwealth and the Sundarian Federation. This situation is beneficial to all of the parties involved, as it doubles their respective information production.
This can go on for some time, but at a certain point in time one of the parties, let's take the Veolian Commonwealth for this example, commits a significant part of their resources to a cause the Lifebringer clans are inherently opposed to. Raids against the indigenous people of a non-union world would probably be such a cause. Now assume that my peoples make use of new research into biological weapons, derived in part from the specialized Gnosis information.
Such a scenario would mean that the Lifebringer Clans will have observe how their technologies and breakthroughs are used for an immoral cause, and they can not stop this. Even worse, they will be associated with the raids, and this in turn may have serious consequences for their political position."
Lady Khaw paused to let the implications of the scenario sink in for a bit.
"Now lets assume the same scenario plays out, but with the active trade of specialized goods. Should this hypothetical situation occur, the Lifebringer clans can warn the Veolian Commonwealth about their diplomatic withdrawal should the Commonwealth continue the raids. This would be a serious incentive to re-evaluate the raids. Should the Commonwealth persist in it's course, the Lifebringer Clans can retract their participation in this immoral cause.
By keeping control over the technological specialization the Lifebringer Clans have prevented their entanglement in the raids, and can even petition the Union to put a stop to them. Something that would be difficult to justify when they allow their technology to be used by the Veolian raiders even while petitioning the Union."
What you propose requires the utmost trust between two parties and creates an irrevocable bond between the participating factions. A political inequality is created merely by association, as the more ruthless of the partners can use the exchanged technologies for anything they wish, and the other partner can do nothing more than observe the abuse of their technologies."
"I hope this clarifies my position on the subject."
This can go on for some time, but at a certain point in time one of the parties, let's take the Veolian Commonwealth for this example, commits a significant part of their resources to a cause the Lifebringer clans are inherently opposed to. Raids against the indigenous people of a non-union world would probably be such a cause. Now assume that my peoples make use of new research into biological weapons, derived in part from the specialized Gnosis information.
Such a scenario would mean that the Lifebringer Clans will have observe how their technologies and breakthroughs are used for an immoral cause, and they can not stop this. Even worse, they will be associated with the raids, and this in turn may have serious consequences for their political position."
Lady Khaw paused to let the implications of the scenario sink in for a bit.
"Now lets assume the same scenario plays out, but with the active trade of specialized goods. Should this hypothetical situation occur, the Lifebringer clans can warn the Veolian Commonwealth about their diplomatic withdrawal should the Commonwealth continue the raids. This would be a serious incentive to re-evaluate the raids. Should the Commonwealth persist in it's course, the Lifebringer Clans can retract their participation in this immoral cause.
By keeping control over the technological specialization the Lifebringer Clans have prevented their entanglement in the raids, and can even petition the Union to put a stop to them. Something that would be difficult to justify when they allow their technology to be used by the Veolian raiders even while petitioning the Union."
What you propose requires the utmost trust between two parties and creates an irrevocable bond between the participating factions. A political inequality is created merely by association, as the more ruthless of the partners can use the exchanged technologies for anything they wish, and the other partner can do nothing more than observe the abuse of their technologies."
"I hope this clarifies my position on the subject."
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The Lifebringer Clans - Faction
Argument erupts again at the Lifebringer Clans' table, and the leader of the delegation has to intervene to keep the volume reasonable. Hesitantly, the representative of the Clans replies:
"We ah... there is disagreement on the exact placement and size of moral responsibilities, but we find our argument difficult to articulate. We... hmn. We thank the Veolian delegation for their insight. Their position has become much clearer, and to an extent, we have to agree with their reasoning."
After a considerable pause, the representative continues:
"There are further points I would like to make. First, our proposal operated on the assumption that all participants are morally upstanding nations. That our morals agree to a large extent is supported by the fact that we are all Union members. This also means that if a nation commits any gross moral violations, the Union as a whole could be expected to respond. However, there are moral issues on which individual Union members disagree, and in these situations, we agree with the Veolian delegation that it would be desirable to have the option to respond by breaking economic ties.
Second, we contest the notion of moral responsibility for the use of goods gained by another party through the use of a corporation founded by us. After initial exchange of zones, we no longer have control. If a party 'misbehaves', most we can do is allow them no further specialization through that corporation, and break all other economic ties.
This scenario is similar to that of a delivery of special goods. If we were to deliver MTCF to a nation, and that nation later uses the resulting trade fleet to deliver biological weapons to a criminal party, are we responsible? I believe in such a case, we would be judged on the information we had at the time of delivery. If we had no reason to believe our trading partner would use our MTCF for such nefarious purposes, we are not to blame. The correct response would be to cut all further deals with this trading partner.
A similar picture can be painted using mere materials as the object of trade. If you provide a trading partner with materials, this accelerates their economy. For example, the Veolian Commonwealth's trade with the Praetorian Empire greatly boosts the latter's economy. If they use this economic advantage to construct war fleets, are you responsible?
Finally, I would like to state that this is philosophical speculation about extreme cases. They are possible, and they should be examined. We thank the Veolian delegation for alerting us to this blind spot in our arguments. However, we are still far more concerned about political and economic realities. When a nation is dependent on two other parties for a large part of production of a type of good, this gives these parties an enormous lever to influence said nation's actions. These parties would hold undue sway over the nation's political and economic activities.
A balance must be found, where a nation is protected from interference by other nations, but only up to the point where that nation behaves honestly."
After this long-winded exposé, the representative becomes hesitant again.
"Valid points have been raised. They deserve careful consideration."
The representative returns to his table, and the discussion there resumes. The Lifebringer Clans appear to be uncertain about the course of action to take.
"We ah... there is disagreement on the exact placement and size of moral responsibilities, but we find our argument difficult to articulate. We... hmn. We thank the Veolian delegation for their insight. Their position has become much clearer, and to an extent, we have to agree with their reasoning."
After a considerable pause, the representative continues:
"There are further points I would like to make. First, our proposal operated on the assumption that all participants are morally upstanding nations. That our morals agree to a large extent is supported by the fact that we are all Union members. This also means that if a nation commits any gross moral violations, the Union as a whole could be expected to respond. However, there are moral issues on which individual Union members disagree, and in these situations, we agree with the Veolian delegation that it would be desirable to have the option to respond by breaking economic ties.
Second, we contest the notion of moral responsibility for the use of goods gained by another party through the use of a corporation founded by us. After initial exchange of zones, we no longer have control. If a party 'misbehaves', most we can do is allow them no further specialization through that corporation, and break all other economic ties.
This scenario is similar to that of a delivery of special goods. If we were to deliver MTCF to a nation, and that nation later uses the resulting trade fleet to deliver biological weapons to a criminal party, are we responsible? I believe in such a case, we would be judged on the information we had at the time of delivery. If we had no reason to believe our trading partner would use our MTCF for such nefarious purposes, we are not to blame. The correct response would be to cut all further deals with this trading partner.
A similar picture can be painted using mere materials as the object of trade. If you provide a trading partner with materials, this accelerates their economy. For example, the Veolian Commonwealth's trade with the Praetorian Empire greatly boosts the latter's economy. If they use this economic advantage to construct war fleets, are you responsible?
Finally, I would like to state that this is philosophical speculation about extreme cases. They are possible, and they should be examined. We thank the Veolian delegation for alerting us to this blind spot in our arguments. However, we are still far more concerned about political and economic realities. When a nation is dependent on two other parties for a large part of production of a type of good, this gives these parties an enormous lever to influence said nation's actions. These parties would hold undue sway over the nation's political and economic activities.
A balance must be found, where a nation is protected from interference by other nations, but only up to the point where that nation behaves honestly."
After this long-winded exposé, the representative becomes hesitant again.
"Valid points have been raised. They deserve careful consideration."
The representative returns to his table, and the discussion there resumes. The Lifebringer Clans appear to be uncertain about the course of action to take.
Thomas Pendra had been listing to the ongoing debate between the Lifebringer Clans Representative and Lady Khaw of the Veolian Commonwealth. It was not after these two had reaches a pause in their discussion when he took a turn to speak.
" First off I would like to thank both the Veolian and Lifebringer Representatives for their arguments on the current topic, they have been must enlightening and most be considered in more detail before a final agreement can be made. "
Thomas took a turn to look at both representatives where he could still see remants of the passion with which they had made their respective cases. The arguments at the side of the Lifebringerclans continued as where Lady Khaw sat patiently waiting for his say in this matter.
" I would like to state that the Sundarian People, like the Lifebringer clans, share the idea that the intent of this agreement was to find a suitable way to make this agreement to be as beneficial to all as possible, in other words, limit the costs concerned with trade and offset any other factors that take part, by exchanging zone rights so that each party can independently utilize the full potential of this agreement with hindrance.
This indeed means a partial loss of control and places a great deal of trust with the separate nations, to consider the moral and ethical consequences of their actions with the recourses in hand. To offer our insight in the raised argument i will state the following:
1) Right now the Sundarian Federation favors an exchange of Zones rights, however strong arguments for both sides have been made. The Republic of Niom has made a strong commitment to their own economic gain and places their trust in trade, where it is the believe of my government that such trade, and the costs it brings with it, together with the possibly of changing prices and time consuming negotiations is less beneficial then a secure and more permanent solution such as the direct exchange of zone rights.
2) The notion that any given nation would use this deal to develop Biochemical weapons on the one side, or made raids on a non-union world, is however true, but strictly prohibited by Union Law and the Union as a whole will be forced to take action against said nation. Lady Khaw is right to raise this point, and it is of importance, however it is our strong believe that such actions will not happen.
3) The next point raised is that of responsibility for the actions of a nation, it is my strong belief that all Union members share a certain responsibility to the actions of each other and the Union as a whole. The sole reason for the Union's existence is an agreement by several nations to share responsibility and trust, to make their respective nations safer and stimulate economic growth.
I hope that this clarifies our position in this negotiations and we invite others to take an opportunity to speak.
Thomas sat down as he had said all he wanted to say for the moment and considered the possibilities of an agreement. It would still be a long and delicate negotiations, but he felt confidant enough that they would eventually reach an understand which would be accepted by all. And the Lady Khaw had invited them to her estate, that was something else to think about...
" First off I would like to thank both the Veolian and Lifebringer Representatives for their arguments on the current topic, they have been must enlightening and most be considered in more detail before a final agreement can be made. "
Thomas took a turn to look at both representatives where he could still see remants of the passion with which they had made their respective cases. The arguments at the side of the Lifebringerclans continued as where Lady Khaw sat patiently waiting for his say in this matter.
" I would like to state that the Sundarian People, like the Lifebringer clans, share the idea that the intent of this agreement was to find a suitable way to make this agreement to be as beneficial to all as possible, in other words, limit the costs concerned with trade and offset any other factors that take part, by exchanging zone rights so that each party can independently utilize the full potential of this agreement with hindrance.
This indeed means a partial loss of control and places a great deal of trust with the separate nations, to consider the moral and ethical consequences of their actions with the recourses in hand. To offer our insight in the raised argument i will state the following:
1) Right now the Sundarian Federation favors an exchange of Zones rights, however strong arguments for both sides have been made. The Republic of Niom has made a strong commitment to their own economic gain and places their trust in trade, where it is the believe of my government that such trade, and the costs it brings with it, together with the possibly of changing prices and time consuming negotiations is less beneficial then a secure and more permanent solution such as the direct exchange of zone rights.
2) The notion that any given nation would use this deal to develop Biochemical weapons on the one side, or made raids on a non-union world, is however true, but strictly prohibited by Union Law and the Union as a whole will be forced to take action against said nation. Lady Khaw is right to raise this point, and it is of importance, however it is our strong believe that such actions will not happen.
3) The next point raised is that of responsibility for the actions of a nation, it is my strong belief that all Union members share a certain responsibility to the actions of each other and the Union as a whole. The sole reason for the Union's existence is an agreement by several nations to share responsibility and trust, to make their respective nations safer and stimulate economic growth.
I hope that this clarifies our position in this negotiations and we invite others to take an opportunity to speak.
Thomas sat down as he had said all he wanted to say for the moment and considered the possibilities of an agreement. It would still be a long and delicate negotiations, but he felt confidant enough that they would eventually reach an understand which would be accepted by all. And the Lady Khaw had invited them to her estate, that was something else to think about...
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The Lifebringer Clans - Faction
((OOC: There is a small problem. An agreement has been reached, but I am unsure where and when. Up to this point, PMs have been sent back and forth, which I took as having the IC meaning of datapad communication happening during this summit.
However, one of the parties suggested a chat to resolve the negotiations quickly. Which it did. It was clearly a more high-bandwidth medium than datapad transmissions, however, and no IC context has been given as to the time and space of this meeting.
My interpretation is the following: this chat was a private meeting between three parties, after the summmit. Dates were suggested and picked by datapad transmissions during the summit. The date chosen for this meeting was a month after the summit. The summit started on July 11, and it is technically still July 11 in this thread. The chat/meeting was held on August 8.
Is this okay for everyone?))
However, one of the parties suggested a chat to resolve the negotiations quickly. Which it did. It was clearly a more high-bandwidth medium than datapad transmissions, however, and no IC context has been given as to the time and space of this meeting.
My interpretation is the following: this chat was a private meeting between three parties, after the summmit. Dates were suggested and picked by datapad transmissions during the summit. The date chosen for this meeting was a month after the summit. The summit started on July 11, and it is technically still July 11 in this thread. The chat/meeting was held on August 8.
Is this okay for everyone?))
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Veolian Commonwealth - Faction
((OOC: It's a bit shifty in my opinion. I would suggest using real-time and assuming that much more is said and done, but that only the relevant parts are played out. This prevents nasty "But I was there as well and you just chronohopped past me" feelings 
I feel it's especially relevant in this summit, since the Veolians will not be happy that an agreement has been formed without any notification of this. Although they are 'not amused' either way.
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I feel it's especially relevant in this summit, since the Veolians will not be happy that an agreement has been formed without any notification of this. Although they are 'not amused' either way.
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((OOC: Regardless of the actual time-frame of the negotiations thread this message arrives after the Veolian Commonwealth learns of the fact that a trade agreement has been reached.))
A holo-message arrives for official representatives of the participating factions:
The image shows a standing Lady Khaw, her facial expression severe.
"Respected representatives of the Sundarian Federation, the Socialist Republic of Niom and the Lifebringer Clans,
It is with regret that I have to inform you of the Veolian withdrawal from the information joint venture negotiations. After learning of the joint venture started by your respective factions, His imperial majesty's wife, Empress Saret Neferti, was very clear on the issue: I have been ordered by his majesty the emperor to withdraw from negotiations.
While I feel that his imperial majesty's ire is just, I do not assign blame to each of you in person. As such, my invitation to you still stands and I hope to see those of you willing to visit the Khaw familiy estates again."
((OOC: Is the color too much, or does it help distinguish the message as a different kind of medium? (I choose light-blue because it's the color of most holo-messages in the most star-wars related things I know of.) ))
A holo-message arrives for official representatives of the participating factions:
The image shows a standing Lady Khaw, her facial expression severe.
"Respected representatives of the Sundarian Federation, the Socialist Republic of Niom and the Lifebringer Clans,
It is with regret that I have to inform you of the Veolian withdrawal from the information joint venture negotiations. After learning of the joint venture started by your respective factions, His imperial majesty's wife, Empress Saret Neferti, was very clear on the issue: I have been ordered by his majesty the emperor to withdraw from negotiations.
While I feel that his imperial majesty's ire is just, I do not assign blame to each of you in person. As such, my invitation to you still stands and I hope to see those of you willing to visit the Khaw familiy estates again."
((OOC: Is the color too much, or does it help distinguish the message as a different kind of medium? (I choose light-blue because it's the color of most holo-messages in the most star-wars related things I know of.) ))
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The Lifebringer Clans - Faction
((OOC: The color is suitable for holo messages. As long as it won't be used for all speech, I'm fine with colors being used.
I think your proposed timeframe makes the most sense, so we'll follow that. Negotiations between the Clans, Niom and Sundarians will have taken place by datapad, in corridors, between teams of 'lesser officials', etc, out of the main discussion arena I suppose.
Note that The Clans did inform all participants they were pursuing a treaty with the Sundarians and Niom. I do think we should have mentioned it on this thread more than we did, though, since it should have been a pretty central part of this summit. But, we didn't, so I guess we had this result coming.
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After some deliberation, the Lifebringer Clans delegation reads a response to the message sent by the Veolian Commonwealth.
"The Lifebringer Clans regret the decision of the Veolian Commonwealth to withdraw from these talks. We are surprised by the severity of their response. To be the target of an Emperor's 'ire' is an upleasant feeling, but it takes on a peculiar quality when the reasons for this response are somewhat mysterious. The Lifebringer Clans have negotiated with the Sundarian Federation and the Socialist Republic of Niom in order to come to an agreement to share a relatively small amount of materials. We initally saw this venture as an economic necessity and as a pilot for a larger agreement, possibly with more nations. It was not meant to be the sole conclusion of this summit.
We would like to remind the representatives that we started the negotiations with Niom and the Sundarians after The Veolian Delegation had informed us they had no mandate to agree to any treaty, and after they had expressed disinterest in starting an information corporation in a timeframe reasonable to the other participants. Moreover, we informed all present that we would start these negotiations. The Veolian Delegation did not object.
In closing, we are sad to see the Veolian Delegation leave. Now that they have withdrawn their support for this venture, all remaining interested parties have come to an agreement that will be greaty beneficial to their economy. We believe that, while this summit is not as great a success as we had envisioned, it nonethess deserves to be called successful.
We thank all parties for their participation.
May all life prosper."
I think your proposed timeframe makes the most sense, so we'll follow that. Negotiations between the Clans, Niom and Sundarians will have taken place by datapad, in corridors, between teams of 'lesser officials', etc, out of the main discussion arena I suppose.
Note that The Clans did inform all participants they were pursuing a treaty with the Sundarians and Niom. I do think we should have mentioned it on this thread more than we did, though, since it should have been a pretty central part of this summit. But, we didn't, so I guess we had this result coming.
After some deliberation, the Lifebringer Clans delegation reads a response to the message sent by the Veolian Commonwealth.
"The Lifebringer Clans regret the decision of the Veolian Commonwealth to withdraw from these talks. We are surprised by the severity of their response. To be the target of an Emperor's 'ire' is an upleasant feeling, but it takes on a peculiar quality when the reasons for this response are somewhat mysterious. The Lifebringer Clans have negotiated with the Sundarian Federation and the Socialist Republic of Niom in order to come to an agreement to share a relatively small amount of materials. We initally saw this venture as an economic necessity and as a pilot for a larger agreement, possibly with more nations. It was not meant to be the sole conclusion of this summit.
We would like to remind the representatives that we started the negotiations with Niom and the Sundarians after The Veolian Delegation had informed us they had no mandate to agree to any treaty, and after they had expressed disinterest in starting an information corporation in a timeframe reasonable to the other participants. Moreover, we informed all present that we would start these negotiations. The Veolian Delegation did not object.
In closing, we are sad to see the Veolian Delegation leave. Now that they have withdrawn their support for this venture, all remaining interested parties have come to an agreement that will be greaty beneficial to their economy. We believe that, while this summit is not as great a success as we had envisioned, it nonethess deserves to be called successful.
We thank all parties for their participation.
May all life prosper."


